I came across this article from the Pioneer Press (Twin Cities, MN) about
parks in MN & WI that are banning geocaching. It has some relevance to
letterboxing, I think:
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/news/local/5992641.htm
One of the interviewees in the article did later say that the reporter
heavily dramatized the supposed "friction" between parks officials and
cachers, and it's nice to know that some of the parks mentioned in the
article are supportive of the activity.
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Article on friction between parks & geocaching
17 messages in this thread |
Started on 2003-06-05
Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Silent Doug (silentdoug@douglasgerlach.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 14:26:57 UTC-04:00
Re: Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: swampyankee (RNSaunders@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 19:18:35 UTC
I agree with the relevance to Letterboxing. If you look back in the
arcives you'll see posts saying the National Park Service has banned
letterboxing: see Desert Island gathering. For a link to see how
Connecticut is handling Letterboxing on our state forest see
http://dep.state.ct.us/burnatr/forestry/centen/letterbox.htm they
have planted or will plant boxes in each of our state forests. Get
five and get a 100 year anaversy patch. Sunshine and I are going to
do some hiking to finish our five tomorrow.
arcives you'll see posts saying the National Park Service has banned
letterboxing: see Desert Island gathering. For a link to see how
Connecticut is handling Letterboxing on our state forest see
http://dep.state.ct.us/burnatr/forestry/centen/letterbox.htm they
have planted or will plant boxes in each of our state forests. Get
five and get a 100 year anaversy patch. Sunshine and I are going to
do some hiking to finish our five tomorrow.
Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Gwen & Don Jackson (foxsecurity@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2003-06-05 12:22:00 UTC-07:00
Hi SD,
I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers. (I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own). You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better. That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on it's own. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Silent Doug
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers. (I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own). You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better. That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on it's own. Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Silent Doug
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (mindizney@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 15:39:31 UTC-04:00
After reading about what some park officials think of letterboxing, I would
like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They are so
positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by year's end) a
letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the 100th anniversary
of CT State Forests.
When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative patch!
Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
Lets get out and box!
Music Woman
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like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They are so
positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by year's end) a
letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the 100th anniversary
of CT State Forests.
When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative patch!
Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
Lets get out and box!
Music Woman
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Re: Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: defygravity2001 (defygravity@snet.net) |
Date: 2003-06-05 21:23:21 UTC
So I saw this bumper sticker recently:
If God hadn't expelled humans from the Garden of Eden, the Sierra Club
would have.
Let's think about preserving our natural resources FOR the public,
instead of FROM the public.
I think that idea about moving caches (and boxes) every year is a good
one. But if the trail to the box is over a durable surface (like rock)
it will hold up to traffic. We have to be careful not to disrupt the
habitat, but we can certianly enjoy our little "sport" without doing
that. Thank goodness Connecticut officials mostly like letterboxing.
What I don't like about geocachers is what I read when I checked out
their site: posts about bushwacking straight to points, going off
trail, one guy even ripped out the suspension on his mini-van...how
smart is that? Another guy almost fell off a cliff in the dark -- too
busy watching his arrow and not his footing, when the clue stated it
was just off the edge of a cliff and not try for it when it's dark.
Duh.
My dear husband sees it as a way to weed idiots out of the gene pool.
If you are a SMART geocacher, then obviously, you'll survive just
fine.
~Aili
If God hadn't expelled humans from the Garden of Eden, the Sierra Club
would have.
Let's think about preserving our natural resources FOR the public,
instead of FROM the public.
I think that idea about moving caches (and boxes) every year is a good
one. But if the trail to the box is over a durable surface (like rock)
it will hold up to traffic. We have to be careful not to disrupt the
habitat, but we can certianly enjoy our little "sport" without doing
that. Thank goodness Connecticut officials mostly like letterboxing.
What I don't like about geocachers is what I read when I checked out
their site: posts about bushwacking straight to points, going off
trail, one guy even ripped out the suspension on his mini-van...how
smart is that? Another guy almost fell off a cliff in the dark -- too
busy watching his arrow and not his footing, when the clue stated it
was just off the edge of a cliff and not try for it when it's dark.
Duh.
My dear husband sees it as a way to weed idiots out of the gene pool.
If you are a SMART geocacher, then obviously, you'll survive just
fine.
~Aili
Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: defygravity2001 (defygravity@snet.net) |
Date: 2003-06-05 21:33:16 UTC
Interesting to note here that they did not choose to plant geocaches.
~ Aili
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> After reading about what some park officials think of letterboxing,
I would
> like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They
are so
> positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by
year's end) a
> letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the
100th anniversary
> of CT State Forests.
>
> When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative
patch!
> Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
>
> Lets get out and box!
> Music Woman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
~ Aili
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> After reading about what some park officials think of letterboxing,
I would
> like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They
are so
> positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by
year's end) a
> letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the
100th anniversary
> of CT State Forests.
>
> When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative
patch!
> Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
>
> Lets get out and box!
> Music Woman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Autumn (Autumn@shadowslight.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 22:19:17 UTC
Wow. I'm impressed to the extent of being stunned. CT has such a
wonderful support system! I'm going to email that link to the lady
I've been in contact with at the Colorado State Parks in hopes it
will encourage them to consider letterboxing further. With this
type of state support, its no wonder that CT is the letterboxing
capitol of the US!
*is very jealous of the CT letterboxers*
Autumn
(stuck in letterbox starving Colorado)
swampyankee wrote:
For a link to see how Connecticut is handling Letterboxing on our
state forest see
http://dep.state.ct.us/burnatr/forestry/centen/letterbox.htm they
have planted or will plant boxes in each of our state forests. Get
five and get a 100 year anaversy patch.
wonderful support system! I'm going to email that link to the lady
I've been in contact with at the Colorado State Parks in hopes it
will encourage them to consider letterboxing further. With this
type of state support, its no wonder that CT is the letterboxing
capitol of the US!
*is very jealous of the CT letterboxers*
Autumn
(stuck in letterbox starving Colorado)
swampyankee wrote:
For a link to see how Connecticut is handling Letterboxing on our
state forest see
http://dep.state.ct.us/burnatr/forestry/centen/letterbox.htm they
have planted or will plant boxes in each of our state forests. Get
five and get a 100 year anaversy patch.
Re: [LbNA] Re: Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (Gurudybaker@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 21:25:36 UTC-04:00
Where do you get the clues for the Ct. state forest letter boxes?
STAR:W+S=DRR
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STAR:W+S=DRR
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (mohmers@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 22:05:52 UTC-04:00
THAT IS SO COOL!
In a message dated 6/5/03 12:40:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mindizney@aol.com writes:
>
>
> After reading about what some park officials think of letterboxing, I would
> like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They are so
> positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by year's end)
> a
> letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the 100th
> anniversary
> of CT State Forests.
>
> When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative patch!
> Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
>
> Lets get out and box!
> Music Woman
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
In a message dated 6/5/03 12:40:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
mindizney@aol.com writes:
>
>
> After reading about what some park officials think of letterboxing, I would
> like to praise the CT DEP for their praise of letterboxing. They are so
> positive about it that they have placed (or will have placed by year's end)
> a
> letterbox in each state forest in Connecticut to commemorate the 100th
> anniversary
> of CT State Forests.
>
> When you get five DEP letterboxing stamps, you get a commemorative patch!
> Woo Hoo! (I'm almost there.... I need one more!)
>
> Lets get out and box!
> Music Woman
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (mohmers@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-05 22:13:47 UTC-04:00
In a message dated 6/5/03 2:34:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
defygravity@snet.net writes:
>
> Interesting to note here that they did not choose to plant geocaches.
>
>
> ~ Aili
>
There is good reason for that. I have and do play both games but I have
noticed that even with clues and warnings SOME geocachers walk all around the
cache looking down at their gps unit. They are not being purposefully destructive
but many park officials don't want the extra traffic.
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defygravity@snet.net writes:
>
> Interesting to note here that they did not choose to plant geocaches.
>
>
> ~ Aili
>
There is good reason for that. I have and do play both games but I have
noticed that even with clues and warnings SOME geocachers walk all around the
cache looking down at their gps unit. They are not being purposefully destructive
but many park officials don't want the extra traffic.
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (mindizney@aol.com) |
Date: 2003-06-06 05:47:32 UTC-04:00
THe DEP boxes are mixed in with the other boxes on the LBNA website. You
need to know what town you're looking for. Many times it says in the name of the
letterbox: CT Forestry box: name of forest or DEP State Forest
etc....
Happy Hunting!
Music Woman
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need to know what town you're looking for. Many times it says in the name of the
letterbox: CT Forestry box: name of forest or DEP State Forest
etc....
Happy Hunting!
Music Woman
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Eric Polk (ericpolk@attbi.com) |
Date: 2003-06-06 07:04:50 UTC-07:00
I do both letterboxing and geocaching. I would say that letterboxers tend to put more thought and care into placing their boxes. There is a work of art (and heart) that goes into every letterbox in the form of a stamp, usually custom made. To lose that stamp would be a blow. Even if the stamp is placed, the original is lost.
With a geocache, there is no real personal loss if a box is stolen or thrown away by officials, gardeners, land-owners, etc. as the items in the geocache are not usually of great value anyway.
That being said, most of the geocaches I have found aren't in places too different than from letterboxes. Most of them are located close to trails or walkways. I think that one of reasons that geocaching may be more 'destructive' than letterboxing is the sheer numbers of people that will go after a geocache. There are more geocachers because it is a little easier to find something when you have the equivalent of 'X marks the spot' in the form of lat and lon coordinates. There is also not as much of a personal commitment involved as you do not need a personal stamp when you find a cache. All you need is a pen to sign the log and some Happy Meal toys to drop in the cache. Even the items to place are optional as I usually just sign the log but don't take or leave anything.
Of course, this is also a generalization on my part as I have seen some nice 'I found your cache' stickers and calling cards. There is even one couple that attaches a custom animal pin to each card they place in a found cache. There are also some really, really innovative placements that will send a hunter to multiple locations to get to the final set of coordinates.
The geocaching.com web site does emphasize 'Cache-In, Trash Out' encouraging geocachers to pick up litter along the way. Some people even post pictures of the trash they picked up while they were finding a cache.
Unfortunately, as with any hobby/activity/sport there are a few boneheads and jerks that will ruin it for the rest of us. I'm sorry that Don ran into some of those. For the reasons stated above (ease of finding and little personal commitment) I think that geocaching does attract more of the abusive types who don't care what damage they do in their goal to rack up a high 'caches found' score than letterboxing does as letterboxing takes more time and skill (making a stamp) and processing power (deciphering the clues).
To summarize, I have to agree with Don that it wouldn't be a horrible idea to keep the two sports separate but I am afraid that in the eyes of the general public who doesn't have experience in either they look the same: place something in a secret spot and give someone else clues to find it.
___________________________
Eric Polk
----- Original Message -----
From: Gwen & Don Jackson
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
Hi SD,
I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers. (I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own). You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better. That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on it's own. Don
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
With a geocache, there is no real personal loss if a box is stolen or thrown away by officials, gardeners, land-owners, etc. as the items in the geocache are not usually of great value anyway.
That being said, most of the geocaches I have found aren't in places too different than from letterboxes. Most of them are located close to trails or walkways. I think that one of reasons that geocaching may be more 'destructive' than letterboxing is the sheer numbers of people that will go after a geocache. There are more geocachers because it is a little easier to find something when you have the equivalent of 'X marks the spot' in the form of lat and lon coordinates. There is also not as much of a personal commitment involved as you do not need a personal stamp when you find a cache. All you need is a pen to sign the log and some Happy Meal toys to drop in the cache. Even the items to place are optional as I usually just sign the log but don't take or leave anything.
Of course, this is also a generalization on my part as I have seen some nice 'I found your cache' stickers and calling cards. There is even one couple that attaches a custom animal pin to each card they place in a found cache. There are also some really, really innovative placements that will send a hunter to multiple locations to get to the final set of coordinates.
The geocaching.com web site does emphasize 'Cache-In, Trash Out' encouraging geocachers to pick up litter along the way. Some people even post pictures of the trash they picked up while they were finding a cache.
Unfortunately, as with any hobby/activity/sport there are a few boneheads and jerks that will ruin it for the rest of us. I'm sorry that Don ran into some of those. For the reasons stated above (ease of finding and little personal commitment) I think that geocaching does attract more of the abusive types who don't care what damage they do in their goal to rack up a high 'caches found' score than letterboxing does as letterboxing takes more time and skill (making a stamp) and processing power (deciphering the clues).
To summarize, I have to agree with Don that it wouldn't be a horrible idea to keep the two sports separate but I am afraid that in the eyes of the general public who doesn't have experience in either they look the same: place something in a secret spot and give someone else clues to find it.
___________________________
Eric Polk
----- Original Message -----
From: Gwen & Don Jackson
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
Hi SD,
I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers. (I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own). You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better. That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on it's own. Don
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Linda Wildes (LWildes@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2003-06-07 02:50:55 UTC
Well, being a geocacher and not yet a letterboxing gal- I have to put
in my two cents on this.
I will be shocked to find there is a big difference between the two.
All of the goecachers I have met thus far are very respectful of the
environment. We all carry trash bags with us to take trash out of
the park.
I know lots of women geocachers (just like me). There are a large
group of "family" cachers in my particular area.
As for the caches themselves, they vary as much as the cachers. You
can find caches with lots of puzzles, themed caches, and multi part
caches. Of course there are lame ones with no thought put into them
too.
Are there geocachers out there who are rude and don't treat the
environment nicely? I am sure there are.
I think it is exactly as you said....it isn't fair to generalize. I
am sure there are rotten apples in every barrel.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen & Don Jackson"
wrote:
> Hi SD,
> I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I
believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers.
(I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own).
You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the
further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better.
That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there
are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on
it's own. Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Silent Doug
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
in my two cents on this.
I will be shocked to find there is a big difference between the two.
All of the goecachers I have met thus far are very respectful of the
environment. We all carry trash bags with us to take trash out of
the park.
I know lots of women geocachers (just like me). There are a large
group of "family" cachers in my particular area.
As for the caches themselves, they vary as much as the cachers. You
can find caches with lots of puzzles, themed caches, and multi part
caches. Of course there are lame ones with no thought put into them
too.
Are there geocachers out there who are rude and don't treat the
environment nicely? I am sure there are.
I think it is exactly as you said....it isn't fair to generalize. I
am sure there are rotten apples in every barrel.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen & Don Jackson"
> Hi SD,
> I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I
believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers.
(I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own).
You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the
further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better.
That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there
are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on
it's own. Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Silent Doug
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: Team Jedi (teamjedi@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2003-06-07 08:38:45 UTC-04:00
the only real drawback to letterboxing is, You have to place the box Kind of
close to the trail or to a land mark or you will not be able to tell someone
how to get it (Go S 22 paces till you come to a big tree) Okay, That tells
me alot when I'm in the woods. So traffic is alot more noticable. BUT
Geocaching you can hide it anywhere and most of the times you can get it far
enough from the trail LOL.
But on the other hand, Jedi Toybox has been hit 78 times by geocachers and a
letterbox I have 200 feet from that cache has 7 logs in it and it was place
3 months before Jedi toy box. So the odds of the plantlife around that
letterbox being damage (I.E. see a trail forming) are nill.
DOc
We now have a Domain Website
SYBERSPACE.NET
The o
>From: "Linda Wildes"
>Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
>Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:50:55 -0000
>
>Well, being a geocacher and not yet a letterboxing gal- I have to put
>in my two cents on this.
>I will be shocked to find there is a big difference between the two.
>All of the goecachers I have met thus far are very respectful of the
>environment. We all carry trash bags with us to take trash out of
>the park.
>I know lots of women geocachers (just like me). There are a large
>group of "family" cachers in my particular area.
>As for the caches themselves, they vary as much as the cachers. You
>can find caches with lots of puzzles, themed caches, and multi part
>caches. Of course there are lame ones with no thought put into them
>too.
>Are there geocachers out there who are rude and don't treat the
>environment nicely? I am sure there are.
>I think it is exactly as you said....it isn't fair to generalize. I
>am sure there are rotten apples in every barrel.
>
>
>
>
>--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen & Don Jackson"
> wrote:
> > Hi SD,
> > I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I
>believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers.
>(I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own).
>You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the
>further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better.
>That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there
>are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on
>it's own. Don
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Silent Doug
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> > Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
nly real draw back to letterbod
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close to the trail or to a land mark or you will not be able to tell someone
how to get it (Go S 22 paces till you come to a big tree) Okay, That tells
me alot when I'm in the woods. So traffic is alot more noticable. BUT
Geocaching you can hide it anywhere and most of the times you can get it far
enough from the trail LOL.
But on the other hand, Jedi Toybox has been hit 78 times by geocachers and a
letterbox I have 200 feet from that cache has 7 logs in it and it was place
3 months before Jedi toy box. So the odds of the plantlife around that
letterbox being damage (I.E. see a trail forming) are nill.
DOc
We now have a Domain Website
SYBERSPACE.NET
The o
>From: "Linda Wildes"
>Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
>Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:50:55 -0000
>
>Well, being a geocacher and not yet a letterboxing gal- I have to put
>in my two cents on this.
>I will be shocked to find there is a big difference between the two.
>All of the goecachers I have met thus far are very respectful of the
>environment. We all carry trash bags with us to take trash out of
>the park.
>I know lots of women geocachers (just like me). There are a large
>group of "family" cachers in my particular area.
>As for the caches themselves, they vary as much as the cachers. You
>can find caches with lots of puzzles, themed caches, and multi part
>caches. Of course there are lame ones with no thought put into them
>too.
>Are there geocachers out there who are rude and don't treat the
>environment nicely? I am sure there are.
>I think it is exactly as you said....it isn't fair to generalize. I
>am sure there are rotten apples in every barrel.
>
>
>
>
>--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Gwen & Don Jackson"
>
> > Hi SD,
> > I realize it's not wise to generalize (how's that for poetry) but I
>believe that there is a different mind set for Geocachers and LBers.
>(I am probably starting a thread that will get a life of it's own).
>You know my poor experiences with a couple of geo guys , and the
>further we can separate ourselves from the other hobby the better.
>That's not to say there can be combinations if one wants it as" there
>are no rules". It is just that I believe letterboxing should stand on
>it's own. Don
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Silent Doug
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:26 AM
> > Subject: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
nly real draw back to letterbod
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: (motofranz@webtv.net) |
Date: 2003-06-07 09:04:42 UTC-04:00
< laughing >
Be kind to the forest & plant life .....
I have two letterboxes in a small park in Cincinnati.
I placed the boxes relatively close to the trails.
Now the park is temporally closed due to BULLDOZERS & BACKHOES tearing a
huge new sewer line (?) through the park.!!
Can't win them all .
I do try to step lightly ,and bring out cans,wrappers ,etc out when I am
letterboxing , ( or geocaching ).
Did I save a National Forest from burning to the ground?
The most shocking thing I have ever seen was this group of kids coming
out of a Gorge (Princess Arch) overlook trail (looking very stoned, and
snickering)
Dragging their sleeping bags at their sides almost running . As they
passed we said hello....But after we got to the overlook there was a
good size FIRE burning out of control in a windy situation with leaves
stacked ready to go up in flames at any second. It took us almost an
hour to put the fire out cold.
What were these kids thinking ??
franzsolo...
P166F177X21E1
Be kind to the forest & plant life .....
I have two letterboxes in a small park in Cincinnati.
I placed the boxes relatively close to the trails.
Now the park is temporally closed due to BULLDOZERS & BACKHOES tearing a
huge new sewer line (?) through the park.!!
Can't win them all .
I do try to step lightly ,and bring out cans,wrappers ,etc out when I am
letterboxing , ( or geocaching ).
Did I save a National Forest from burning to the ground?
The most shocking thing I have ever seen was this group of kids coming
out of a Gorge (Princess Arch) overlook trail (looking very stoned, and
snickering)
Dragging their sleeping bags at their sides almost running . As they
passed we said hello....But after we got to the overlook there was a
good size FIRE burning out of control in a windy situation with leaves
stacked ready to go up in flames at any second. It took us almost an
hour to put the fire out cold.
What were these kids thinking ??
franzsolo...
P166F177X21E1
Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: RUFIS T BUDSTER (budster2@juno.com) |
Date: 2003-06-07 23:15:23 UTC-04:00
This may be a little side track of letterboxing but when we go
tracking around the woods , I usually bring my GPS.
How do you get such good accuracy during your geocaching? My
Magellan GPS 315 only seems to get one in the general ball park area,
+/- 100ft or so. Suppose thats close enough. Wonder if the newer ones are
more accurate. Got a lot to learn about these things.
Will be going to the geocaching site to research this stuff out.
Really think that a mix of the two , with clues and coordinates ,
should be used in extreme cases. Sometimes lbs may be placed in remote
and complicated terrains.
Just a thought from the "budster"
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tracking around the woods , I usually bring my GPS.
How do you get such good accuracy during your geocaching? My
Magellan GPS 315 only seems to get one in the general ball park area,
+/- 100ft or so. Suppose thats close enough. Wonder if the newer ones are
more accurate. Got a lot to learn about these things.
Will be going to the geocaching site to research this stuff out.
Really think that a mix of the two , with clues and coordinates ,
should be used in extreme cases. Sometimes lbs may be placed in remote
and complicated terrains.
Just a thought from the "budster"
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Re: [LbNA] Article on friction between parks & geocaching
From: RUFIS T BUDSTER (budster2@juno.com) |
Date: 2003-06-07 23:33:24 UTC-04:00
Just Curious, Which type of GPS do you like? What kind do you use in your
tracking? Do you think LB clues and geocaching go together?
Carrying around a GPS is kind of like having a camera when
others that are around don't know what you are up to. Kind of makes you
look like you are "on a mission" and everything is ok. What do you
think?
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tracking? Do you think LB clues and geocaching go together?
Carrying around a GPS is kind of like having a camera when
others that are around don't know what you are up to. Kind of makes you
look like you are "on a mission" and everything is ok. What do you
think?
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